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Post  sparrow on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:49 pm

Any of the SOB's have a pipe made from morta? If so, what do you think of it? Do the smoking characteristics differ from briar?

I've been curious about morta for quite a long while, but haven't happened across one in just the right shape to tempt me to try it. I did see a pic of a lovely morta pipe in the cavalier shape recently though.

Thoughts?


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Post  Guest on Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:50 am

I've never heard of Morta, I've heard of Rhamus? <sp> and wondered if that would be any good.
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Post  ThePhill on Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:35 am

I've been wanting one for a while now, just trying to find a block of bog oak big enough to send Tim Wink.

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Post  raftergtex on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:25 am

Morta is partially fossilized oak, and is also known as "bog oak." Its rare, and often difficult to work. (Hard, like ebony, which I tried to turn once and got nothing but smoke). I have never smoked a morta pipe but it is supposed to be porous, lightweight, and give a nice dry smoke after it is broken in, which seems counterintuitive. How can fossilized wood be very porous? Anyway, here is a good article on the pipemaking process with Morta:

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And here is a good discussion of smoking one:

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They are usually expensive, because it is a rare material, and it takes longer to make a pipe.

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Post  Pstlpkr on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:39 am

I have different links from Tim's.
Bog Oak Wood ? So that's what Morta is. Very interesting, that would make a beautiful pipe indeed. I love the examples shown at the second link. A naturally black pipe.... beautiful!
I've always imagined that Bog Oak is like a Soft Petrified Wood. Lots of minerals in it, but not solidified.
I've seen wall paneling made from the stuff, but I don't recall ever seeing a block.
I wonder if WoodCrafters would have something like that. I've seen some very cool blocks of various exotic woods there. Here's a link to my local store, there is Store Locator at the top, that may help: WoodCraft

Teaser: Just so very cool.


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Post  raftergtex on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:07 am

Word is that Chris Askwith has a serious stash of morta that he harvests from his own land in England. Wonder if he ever sells any?

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Post  sparrow on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:16 am

It was a picture of an Askwith Cavalier that caught my eye recently.


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Post  Guest on Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:05 am

I found this at pipes2smoke.com out of Toronto, Canada. I have heard that Morta pipes are more delicate and require a little more care than briar.

"Morta Pipes by Davorin Denovic- in the last few years pipes have started to be made of Morta. Morta is petrified bog oak that is between 2,000 - 10,000 years old. Making it older than any briar imaginable. It is very porous., lightweight and smokes incredibly dry and smooth. The making of Morta pipes was, first started by Peterson's of Dublin in the 1930's and again during WWII due to shortages of briar.

The modern Morta pipes was reborn due to the efforts Davorin Denovic in Croatia, Trevor Talbert when he lived in France and Paolo Becker in Italy. Working with Morta is very different than briar and demands the use of specialized machinery and different techniques. That is why few well known pipe makers who have ventured into this territory have not done as well as with their briar pipes. Morta is different to work with.

Davorin has written an extensive FAQ on Morta pipes. The most important question is how does it smoke. Well having been smoking one for the last 3 weeks I can honestly say, i am impressed. Its different than briar but a difference akin to that between Ashton and Castello's. I am not begging the question but all I can say is try one."



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Post  Guest on Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:12 am

As Paul Harvey used to say, "Now here's the rest of the story."

Q: What is the difference between smoking a pipe made of golden morta and that made of copper or black morta?

There is actually no difference. In my experience, and experience of my fellow pipesmokers, the three of us close friends from the Club, who together have a smoking history of ca 100 years , the quality of material is virtually identical. If a tree has been exposed to the effects of water over a thousand years (just go figure what was happening in the history a thousand years ago , it is a long enough period for water to wash out all tannine, resin and other elements from the wood, rendering it neutral, an ideal material for pipes.

Q: Which colour morta is the best material for the creation of a pipe?

It has been my experience that copper morta is a material of utmost solidity and is easiest to finish to a high shine if polished. I personally find it to be the most beautiful material. Of course, it also depends on the part of the trunk used. The root is the best part, but it has somehow been common to use other trunk segments in order to highlight the wood structure and achieve a satisfactory effect. For reasons unknown to me, the majority falsely believe black morta (because it is the oldest) is the best material for pipe making. Black morta, of course not all parts, but some of them show a certain degree of degradation.

Q: What are the differences in the colour of morta due to?

It depends on the site on which the tree ended up in the water. The colour of morta cannot be directly and exclusively attributed to age alone, but it also depends on the manner in which the wood has been „maturing“. If a tree has lain under the mud, clay, or mineral deposits, eg. iron, its colour turns darker than that of the tree which has only been laid on gravel. The colour is also dependent of the part of the tree. Thick trunks, in their center, never assume a completely dark colour, in contrast to their outer layers. An interesting effect is achieved in this way, a two-colour pipe, most often it is black-dark brown. In addition, black morta is not a single entity, black is a universal term for all dark nuances, that is from dark gray to really completely black. Naturally, combinations also exist of darker and lighter spots on the same pipe, but anyway all those are the samples of about 4000- to 5000-, exceptionally even 7000-year-old wood.

Q: Has there been any wood- dating analysis done?

Wood dating is usually done for the samples taken from a single site, and carbon-14 method is used for the analysis. Analyses are performed at the Ruđer Bošković Institute in Zagreb, Croatia, or at an Institute in Ukraine. Collaboration has also been established with Cornell University within their project of climate change investigation, and they have been sent a few hundred samples for analysis. This proved to be one of the crucial points in data collection as, in addition to all the above, the age of all wood samples obtained has been confirmed.

Q: Has there been any wood- dating analysis done?

Wood dating is usually done for the samples taken from a single site, and carbon-14 method is used for the analysis. Analyses are performed at the Ruđer Bošković Institute in Zagreb, Croatia, or at an Institute in Ukraine. Collaboration has also been established with Cornell University within their project of climate change investigation, and they have been sent a few hundred samples for analysis. This proved to be one of the crucial points in data collection as, in addition to all the above, the age of all wood samples obtained has been confirmed.

Q: Why is morta such expensive material?

Morta is a material which is very difficult a) to find, b) especially good quality morta, c) to extract from the water, and d) to dry in a proper manner as well as to process. We in Croatia are definitely lucky to abound in very high quality material, which is the result of exceptionally good quality oak. Owing to the years-long hard work of my associates and the professional help of the Zagreb University Faculty of Forestry, the technology of dessication and processing of such wood has been developed. This is no job for amateurs. The basic challenge is how to dry the wood, which is completely soaked with water, and at the same time avoid the splitting of the wood structure. My associate possesses special premises with controlled ventilation and moisture removal systems ensuring that the block is processed sucessfully. The drying process takes at least two to three years; however, the rate of discarded material is very high. The best blocks only are selected for the creation of a pipe, for it is going to be an object exposed to extreme temperatures. Of the quantity of wood extracted and processed, the blocks suitable for carving pipes amount to only a few percent

. Q: Why is morta such expensive material?

Morta is a material which is very difficult a) to find, b) especially good quality morta, c) to extract from the water, and d) to dry in a proper manner as well as to process. We in Croatia are definitely lucky to abound in very high quality material, which is the result of exceptionally good quality oak. Owing to the years-long hard work of my associates and the professional help of the Zagreb University Faculty of Forestry, the technology of dessication and processing of such wood has been developed. This is no job for amateurs. The basic challenge is how to dry the wood, which is completely soaked with water, and at the same time avoid the splitting of the wood structure. My associate possesses special premises with controlled ventilation and moisture removal systems ensuring that the block is processed sucessfully. The drying process takes at least two to three years; however, the rate of discarded material is very high. The best blocks only are selected for the creation of a pipe, for it is going to be an object exposed to extreme temperatures. Of the quantity of wood extracted and processed, the blocks suitable for carving pipes amount to only a few percent.

Q: Is dyeing obligatory in the pipe making process and which finishing treatment is applied?

It is my principle to leave my pipes in the natural state of being. Thus my assortment includes black/dark-gray, copper and golden morta. As a very rare exception, if I should use the material of a mottley (stained) appearance, my practice is to sometimes apply a layer of dye to correct it, but I have used this technique in the production of only a few pipes so far. The truth is that in time dark-grayish morta pipes become completely black, they change their colour in the same way briar pipes usually do, not to mention meerschaum pipes .

I know that other pipemakers use the dyeing techniques and in the process turn golden morta to black, as can be seen in this picture … look at the colour of the inside of the tobacco chamber.

The finishing process is completed by applying a layer of Carnauba wax, with a special technique which enables the wax to penetrate deeply into the wood, and subsequent heating to ca 100 degrees Celsius in order to confirm the quality of the wood. During this process a certain percent of pipes „crack“, which means that splits appear in the wood, and such pipes have to be discarded. Due to a large amount of Carnauba with which a pipe is finally protected, leaking of a small amount of wax from the wood in the form of hot liquid may occur during the first few times of smoking. This is neither a problem, nor any flaw, the excess wax needs only be wiped with a soft cloth and this will stop after the first three or four times you smoke your pipe.

Q: Other pipemakers keep the prices of their pipes high, do lower prices of these pipes mean that they are lower quality?

I like to think and honestly believe that I use some of the best morta material there is. Given the fact that my associate is in the manufacture of a range of products from morta, including furniture, decorations and sculptures, the quantity of material available to me is relatively high. In addition, imperfections in the wood can be camouflaged in a morta bed or table piece, but not in a pipe. As I said above, the amount of material that goes into the creation of pipes is only a few percents of the total wood mass. Therefore, my source of material is relatively cheap after all.

I have my vocation and a well-payed professional job. I take pipe making just as a hobby, and for the time being I do not have any wish or need to change it. A part of my spare time, perhaps the most pleasurable one – of course, apart from spending time with my family, is dedicated to this hobby. In short, this means: If I feel like making pipes – I shall make them, if I do not feel like it – I think it’s clear .

The price has been so defined as to cover the expenses, which means to cover all workshop expenses.

Secondly, at present I am not interested in selling my pipes either through an agent or a wholesale dealer, so that there is no mediator to „build up“ the final price.

And most importantly, I find the most rewarding thing that through this hobby of mine I have come to know plenty of adorable people, besides my friends of the Zagreb pipesmokers’ Club, many fellow pipesmokers from all over the world. A population who is slowly getting called something of a weirdo .

Q: Do you sell raw morta material for pipe making?

No, I do not. From all the above it is obvious why. My supplies include top quality material sufficient for the production of some hundred pipes, and this must be enough for me to work until the wood currently in the processing stage is ready to be used. I work with briar too, but morta is by far a more difficult and demanding material, a real challenge for a pipemaker.


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Post  Sbrouwers on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:26 pm

Good amount of info everyone. Me and Thephill had talked about the morta pipes about a year ago and we did some looking. I would love to (but probably never will) have one.

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Post  Oldmaus on Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:53 am

I never knew about morta before. This was a very interesting topic to read about. Perhaps someday I will have the experience of trying a morta pipe.

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Post  sparrow on Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:18 pm

I'm glad this question has been informative for some of the SOB's. I had read about morta some years ago when learning about pipes, so I just assumed that most of you would have heard of it in your readings as well.

So, it's safe to say none of us own or have owned a morta pipe?

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Post  raftergtex on Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:48 pm

Here's a (relatively) cheap one:

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Price makes me a little suspicious as to the quality of the morta but who knows ....

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Post  sparrow on Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:12 pm

Tim, is it just me or does the chamber on that one look a little out of round?


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Post  raftergtex on Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Might just be the photography, or the fact that the outside of the pipe is a little out of round (bottom left in the picture is a hair wide). I am not sure how you could get the chamber itself out of round using a round drill bit with the block secured in a lathe. I guess it would be possible if you drill, as some brave souls do (the ones with missing fingers), by pressing the block into a spinning drill bit by hand.

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